|Mike Jordan||May 10, 10:44am||Happy to do summit or course marshall for this.|
|Justin Rea||May 10, 11:31am||Summit is finish ;-)|
|Bronagh Cheetham||May 10, 12:53pm||will need plenty of summit marshalls / time keepers so thanks for that.|
|Jason Halpin||May 18, 12:46pm||Does anyone have a GPS trace for this route? Wouldn't mind doing a reccie on it (and seeing if I can do it under the hour! :) )|
|Brian O'Murchu||May 18, 4:33pm||As a matter of interest, are there any other uphill only IMRA races on the calender?|
|Dermot Murphy||May 18, 6:20pm||The world trial on August 11th will be uphill only. Course to be decided.|
|Ian Conroy||May 19, 12:06am||Powerscourt Uphill (the name kinda gives it away...) on the 13th July would be a good primer for the World Trial, some lovely climbing in it with plenty of time for a breather too.|
|Ian Conroy||May 19, 12:11am||@Brian, Conroy didn't look at the forum heading - very smart! Time for bed! Just do what I do, choose races that have plenty of uphill in them and worry about the descent afterwards. Or head up to Newcastle in Co. Down and run up the saddle on Donard - incredible ascent, one of my favourites, I felt privileged to run up it. Or... the climb from Santa Sabina to Howth Summit carpark is 5k...|
|Val Jones||May 19, 10:12am||Santa Sabina to Summit car park - is that on the road, or do you have a trail over Shielmartin and the Ben?|
|Ian Conroy||May 19, 8:26pm||Yeah it's on the road Val, a nice run nonetheless - and it means you can do it in the dark oo, which is handy in the winter.|
|Alan Ayling||May 19, 11:41pm||Running on the trails of Howth in the dark is great training and great fun if you have the right torch and a sense of adventure. If you want a proper savage climb, with a little breather in the middle, the little beach below Shearwater Farm, up the steps, grassy section to the road, then up Shielmartin. What sort of fun is running on the road at all?!|
|Bronagh Cheetham||May 20, 9:50pm||Looking for Laptop operator for this race please and a few more volunteers. need at least 6 for the summit finish. tks to those already signed up.|
|Bronagh Cheetham||May 23, 1:43pm||Im away for the 2 weeks leading up to this race so would like to know that Ive laptop operator and more helpers signed up before I go this Sat..thanks. lots signed up for tonights race that could switch to help at this or other races (I see Brendan suggested this so Im not poaching his helpers!) ;-)|
|Ruth Lynam||May 24, 8:35am||Bronagh I'd be happy to help on the summit|
|james curran||May 24, 9:08am||Would like to volunteer for summit duty|
|Sarah Harley||May 25, 4:19pm||Hi, happy to volunteer in a non-running capacity for this race if you still need people? Don't mind what I'm doing ....|
|Jean O'Neill||May 25, 10:39pm||I would like to be a running volunteer for this race, if volunteers are still needed.|
|Mike Long||May 28, 2:01pm||Folks|
I am down as marker for Brockagh. As there are likely to be lots of volunteers would anyone be willing to give me a hand?
|Jeff Swords||May 30, 11:03am||Hi Bronagh,|
I've stuck myself down as a running helper if you need one. I was car park marshal at Crone for the Maulin winter race so I'm familiar with getting everyone squeezed into the side carpark.
|Mark Sheridan||May 30, 5:01pm||I can volunteer to be a non-running helper, if more are needed.|
|John Condon||May 30, 11:03pm||Likewise, more than happy to volunteer for this.|
|Alan Duggan||May 31, 12:38pm||Guys, any directions for the start for this?|
|Rachel Cinnsealach||May 31, 9:21pm||Hi Bronagh/Mike,|
I'd be happy to help mark this, or I can demark it if you want?
|Angus Tyner||Jun 1, 2:05pm||I've decided not to run this.|
I'm happy to be on summit duty
|Mike Long||Jun 5, 1:33pm||Rachel / Bronagh|
Rachel thanks for your offer of help. Will talk to you tomorrow or if not before the race. Some of the people on the summit usually demark. Hope this can apply this year.
|Mike Long||Jun 7, 8:50am||Bronagh / Rachel|
Chatting to people last night (including some on committee) and view was we should use the old route to top of Djouce straight up the WW and not the route used last year (which Gerry Brady designed for a trial race). The main reasons being it is too narrow in places and takes longer (issues getting back to start etc). Is that OK with you. That would mean the map on the web is incorrect.
|Paul Mahon||Jun 7, 10:49am||Advantage of Gerry's route is that there is some nice off-road running on the shoulder of Maulin unlike the flatter boring firetrail sections of the Wicklow Way which are well used already in several IMRA races.|
You could just follow the Wicklow way route for the first 400m before joining Gerry's at which stage the general order will be established and there is no single file sections on Gerry's initial climbing route in any case.
Folk can be directed back to Crone car park via the Wicklow Way markers so no delay there
All comments IMHO :-)!
|Paul Smyth||Jun 7, 11:02am||I agree with Paul. Gerry's route is much better than the original route. It's a bit slower because it's steeper but that just makes it a better race in my view. There are some congestion issues on the small paths at the beginning but that can be fixed by staying on the forest road until the turnoff for the ascent. My vote is for a slightly modified version of Gerry's route.|
|Ronan Hickey||Jun 7, 11:05am||Just to offer the other position, I prefer the original version up to the WW. People were getting boxed in and bottlenecked on the Maulin route. I appreciate it's more of a mountain race but I still think the original is better.|
P.S. I accept that this opinion may be based on me having a sh*te race on the Maulin route last year
|Rachel Cinnsealach||Jun 7, 11:36am||Hi Mike/Bronagh,|
What are the issues with getting back to the start? I reckon last years route was better, more "uphill". (Then again, I'm not racing it!)
I was thinking that in terms of demarking, that I could start with the main race, and follow the race demarking as I go. The summit marshall, can demark, from Djouce downwards, and we would meet on route :)
In terms of marking it, one of us could start from Djouce and the other from crone, and we could meet in the middle, or we could just do it together, company for each other.
I meant to chat to you last night, but you wer going from the pub, by the time I arrived. I had a lovely leisurely stroll, down from the summit of Scarr :) It really was the most amazing evening, the views were spectacular.
|Jeff Fitzsimons||Jun 7, 1:05pm||Booo to fireroad! That said, being a compliant member I'll race whatever route is marked on the night!|
I'm not sure of the concerns regarding congestion. If you want to get clear ground, make sure to get a good start. But it's long enough a course to ensure there are lots of places to be made up by anyone choosing to start slower.
|Zoran Skrba||Jun 7, 1:27pm||I agree that Gerry's route is a bit tougher (and thus) better :). I agree with Paul that the 400m of fireroad will thin the field out. |
@Mike Long, last year this race was in May, so there would have been less daylight.
|Mick Hanney||Jun 7, 1:32pm||Gerry's route would be preferable to me if I was running...|
Turn it into a handicap race based on avg percentages this season. Would be interesting to see Torben starting last and battling through the field. The mass finish at the top would be carnage though for the RD, so scrap that :-)
|Kevin O'Riordan||Jun 7, 1:58pm||Didn't think the congestion was too bad last year despite getting off on a piss poor start and having to overtake loads of people on my way up. Was far more enjoyable than the Wicklow Way route as well.|
|Mike Long||Jun 7, 2:22pm||Hear and understand all the arguments. Guess we need direction from the committee?|
|Dermot Murphy||Jun 7, 3:08pm||Mixed views, I would say go for whatever suits best for the race marker and race director.|
|Jeff Fitzsimons||Jun 7, 3:27pm||The President has spoken! But I am none the wiser what will happen.|
I think that should be the last said on here about it, and we all get to find out on the day. Mystery race.
|Mick Hanney||Jun 7, 3:29pm||Now theres an idea Jeff!|
|Stuart Scott||Jun 7, 4:15pm||My preference would be the compromise route suggested by the Pauls. Last year there seemed to be a little congestion at the start, but overall the route was well received. There's actually very little difference with winning time and as Zoran said, daylight definitely won't be an issue this time of year. In either case, runners have to return by the WW. But it's Bronagh's call as RD - I think very few of us who offered an opinion will be running it!|
|Alan Ayling||Jun 7, 5:14pm||IMO Paul Mahon's suggestion makes the most sense. A short(ish - 500 m?) section of gentle fire road climb to spread the field out a bit... preferable to that stinking narrow climb right at the start only to _descend_ a fire road (as Jeff says, Boooooo). Then the singletrack climb by the stream that starts out handy enough before morphing into pure savagery, like its brother to the east, the original Maulin Ride. Any of which is better than traipsing up the WW all the way - we are mountain runners after all!|
From a marking perspective, shouldn't be too big an ordeal if the new marking guidelines are followed (instructions in the IMRA marking kit bag).
For the return, once on the WW no one should need any marking to get them back.
|Bronagh Cheetham||Jun 8, 8:41pm||Apologies all for my lack of comment - was away with unbelieveably I know..no internet! I'll review all comments/suggestions and come back with confirmed race route over weekend. thanks a mill for all the volunteers too - will get back on who's doing what etc....but any takers for the LAPTOP operator? its not at all as bad as it sounds...less stressful in fact for this race.|
|Bronagh Cheetham||Jun 9, 11:20pm||Can I have 3 more non running volunteers please..manually recording requires more persons than normal. Still awaiting a non running Laptop user please...else we can go with a manual recorded race I guess (Dermot would need to ok this) but will mean no results recorded on website (or %)so not sure that would be acceptable! All those who have volunteered so far (either via forum or noted on volunteer role table) Ive used and need you all - so thankyou. Will email you seperately with role. ****Can Sarah Ni R, Kieran, Jesko and Ken update your profile with your email details and/or send to me at email@example.com.**** tks|
|Bronagh Cheetham||Jun 9, 11:22pm||MIKE L - can you give me a shout tomorrow when can - 087 4191511 tks|
|Bronagh Cheetham||Jun 11, 9:01am||Route is confirmed as old route via the Wicklow Way. Map to be updated on web page. This is mainly due to safety reasons and ensuring that runners are returning same route as they go up. wont satisfy everyone I know but hey what can one do! cant please 100%. see you all Wed (assuming we get a laptop operator - I know I sound like a broken record but role remains unfilled)|
|Daniela Boehm||Jun 11, 10:48am||Hi Bronagh, it's been at least 2 years since I did laptop operator, so I'd be a bit 'rusty' to say the least but if you can't find a more capable volunteer for Wed (and are willing to take the risk of me messing it up ;))I could give it a shot. My email is boehm.dan AT gmail.com. Daniela|
|Jeff Swords||Jun 11, 11:12am||Hi Bronagh,|
I can change from running to non-running for Wednesday. Was never the main laptop operator but was shadow laptop operator at Annagh Hill back during the Winter, so I'm sure between myself and Daniela we can manage the laptop and contribute towards the helpers required to manually record the results ?
|Bronagh Cheetham||Jun 11, 12:54pm||Excellent -thanks Daniela and Jeff!! Jeff come ready to run and we'll try and let u run too. will send details seperately.|
|Jeff Swords||Jun 11, 1:09pm||Cheers Bronagh,|
To be honest I'm recovering from a little bug so it probably suits me not to run Wednesday, especially on the Powerscourt Uphill course.
|Rebecca Jacobson||Jun 11, 2:17pm||Hi all, can anyone offer me a lift from Blackrock/Booterstown or nearby?|
Many thanks, Rebecca
|John Condon||Jun 11, 2:33pm||I'll be leaving from Greystones around 6.15 can pick up from Delgany/Bray if anyone is looking for a lift. Zero 86 6 zero 9 23 16|
|Bronagh Cheetham||Jun 12, 9:01am||Final instructions: |
- Usual Car pooling rules apply - NO single occupancy cars will be allowed into carpark and will be turned away. there will be car pooling from Glencormack Inn so please ensure to call by there first if your on your own.
- Jackets are compulsary and you'll be checked for them - can get cold on the return down so for safety please respect this rule and carry one.
- Race will finish on summit at 20:30 for both safety and comfort of volunteers who will have been standing there for a while. so if you have not reached summit by then, please respect marshalls if they ask you to turn around as they make their way back down. there will be an organised early start at 19:00. some people may choose to go earlier and can take own times.
- all must touch cairn on top to mark finish so make one final burst for it!
- think thats it, see you all tomorrow
|Bronagh Cheetham||Jun 12, 9:03am||Volunteers - have sent you all a seperate email with instructions. If you have not received one from me please mail me on firstname.lastname@example.org. (JAMES CURRAN - I dont have your email address if you can forward on) tks|
|Bronagh Cheetham||Jun 12, 9:05am||PS- could do with one or two carpark marshalls at Kilcormack Inn if anyone willing to put on a vest and help people get organised into cars.tks|
|Bronagh Cheetham||Jun 12, 9:15am||Glencormack Inn rather!|
|James Curran||Jun 12, 1:29pm||Bronagh,|
My email is email@example.com.
|James Curran||Jun 12, 8:51pm||Do any of the summit team want to carshare from Glencormac Inn, Kilmacanogue to crone or lough Tay? Say meet at 6PM at pub carpark.|
|Michelle Rowley||Jun 13, 7:53am||James, I can meet you at the Glencormack Inn at 6pm, if you want to carpool.|
|Michelle Rowley||Jun 13, 7:55am||Sorry, should have mentioned I will be going to Crone, if that suits. Probably more like 5.45pm at Glencormack Inn too.|
|james curran||Jun 13, 9:13am||Perfect Michelle, Crone would be great, see you at 6PM at the pub.|
|james curran||Jun 13, 9:15am||Michelle, 5:45 at the pub.|
|Fergus Byrne||Jun 13, 10:11am||Hey folks,|
Anybody want to carpool from Glencormack Inn this evening.
|Ian Clifford||Jun 13, 10:11am||Hi I'll be driving from parnell sq up the N2 and out by the m50 leaving at 4.55, I have 3 spaces in the car...email me cliffori AT tcd.ie|
|james curran||Jun 13, 10:30am||Fergus, Myself and Michelle Rowley are carpooling to Crone at 5:45.|
|Fergus Byrne||Jun 13, 10:36am||James That works for me. See you guys at 5:45|
|Paul O'Grady||Jun 13, 12:52pm||@ Rebecca - I'll be leaving from Stradbrook Road around 6.15 if that's of any use to you. 086 2900827|
|Bronagh Cheetham||Jun 13, 1:30pm||***** Registration closes at 19.20 sharp ***** Race will start at 19.30 and finish of 20.30. Those doing early start at 19.00 gather at start line at 18.55 and we'll do a mass start. Ensure to notify those at sign in desk if your doing an early start so we can track you. (not normally done I know but Id imagine might be more than usual doing early start).|
|Mark Sheridan||Jun 13, 1:43pm||Michelle, any space left in the carpool from Glencormack Inn?|
|Paul Grant||Jun 13, 2:20pm||Hi Paul, any chance I could take a lift with you from Stradbrook Road at 6.15 too|
|Paul Daly||Jun 13, 2:41pm||Hi Guys|
I'm just checking to see where registration is for tonight's race? I can't seem to find it any where in the above posts...maybe it's a case of can't see the wood for the tree's!!
|Mike Jordan||Jun 13, 2:49pm||Paul, you can't see the CRONE WOODS for the trees. Registration is in Crone Woods Car Park. Pick up a carpooler at the Glencormack Inn in Kilmacanogue and they'll show you the way.|
|Michelle Rowley||Jun 13, 3:28pm||James, sorry me again! It will be closer to 6pm...just cant make it till then.|
|john condon||Jun 13, 3:34pm||Hi Michelle, I'm going to swing by around then so can pick you up if needs be.|
|Michelle Rowley||Jun 13, 3:41pm||Ok, thats great. I will already have someone in the car with me then too. I will definitely be there by 6m and can fit 2 more in.|
|Jason Moore||Jun 13, 4:11pm||if anyone from southwest dublin is stuck for a lift get in touch ,i will be leaving from lucan round 5.15.i will also drive from the glenn inn so if anyone wants to carpool.jason 0872786289|
|Paul Daly||Jun 13, 4:48pm||Thanks Mike. Let's hope the rain ease's off before the race or I still won't be able to see the trees!!|
|Peter O'Farrell||Jun 14, 7:34am||Thanks again to Bronagh and all the volunteers for a brilliant job on a misty evening. The summit marshalls had mist and the start marshalls had midge!|
My time was 36.45 (in case the times can be adjusted)
|Bronagh Cheetham||Jun 14, 8:25am||Big word of thanks to the trusty team of volunteers last night who helped everything run so smoothly - esp those stood on the summit and to Daniela and Jeff on laptop who did fab work getting pretty much all the manual results up on laptop late into night in pub last night. Few minor tweeks to be made yet to finalise and then we'll announce the full category winners. M & F winners were done last night. thanks all for waiting in the pub for the results/prize giving and apologies for delay - but we have to wait for last person to be off the mountain. thankfully all made it to the summit and back safely which is the main thing. Congrats to all the winners! and yes Peter we certainly had the midgies to keep us company on the ground!|
|Julie Harkin||Jun 14, 8:34am||Thank you for an enjoyable race last night. Even though the mist was a bit crazy up top at least it didn't spill!|
My time seems to have an extra digit. I timed myself for 55:46, if it could be updated that'd be great.
|Dermot Murphy||Jun 14, 8:39am||Julie, that problem seems to have affected a few results, the last 4 or 5 on the results sheet, we will get it sorted over the next couple of days.|
Peter, yes the times are all out by about 2 minutes and 30 seconds - for the main field anyway. Can any of the earlier starters confirm if their times are correct or are they also out? I'm not sure if we will update the times, Kevin can provide an update when he gets a chance to look at it over the next few days.
Well done also to Bronagh and the team - great job and a lovely evening for a run!
|Angus Tyner||Jun 14, 8:53am||I was part of the summit team. We didn't know when the race started (either main or early) and yes in my opinion the times need to be adjusted by the offset that Peter has suggested.|
The times will be spot on (within a few seconds) relative to each other. Well done to laptop team for managing our scribbles!!
Remarkably as we were clearing up, the cloud cleared ever so briefly to give us a second of sunshine and a quick view down the mountain. Well done to all competitors for allowing us to get your number and for getting yourself up and down!
|Conall Murphy||Jun 14, 9:54am||Hey guys,|
I was one of the four with an affected result. I didn't time myself but I was just behind Laura Shaughnessy if that helps any.
Thanks again for a great race - that mist was mental on the way up!
|Warren Swords||Jun 14, 9:57am||Great race last night. Thanks to all organisers and volunteers. Not the easiest of races to do. |
Slight correction to results. I'm down as joint 16th with Brian but he was a couple of seconds ahead of me.
Really enjoyed the misty conditions. Some lovely views into the valley on the way down.
|Eva Fairmaner||Jun 14, 11:05am||A huge well done to Bronagh and crew who so cheefully ran the show last night. will admit I was a bit excited with my time (I forgot to stop my watch such was the relief at reaching the Cairn) but two minutes for everyone sounds about right. On another note...if anyone found a mobile in or outside the Glencormack Inn could they let me know. I am starting to get a hard time as this will be the second phone in 6 weeks! I have rung the Glencormac Inn but no joy so far. Thanks.|
|Bronagh Cheetham||Jun 14, 11:06am||Hi Angus & all. yes getting word to the start when the races actually started was a slight problem. Phone coverage was not good and took time to finally get through to summit! Mist may have hampered coverage more than usual. I agree they are all out by about the 2.30 as Dermot says here and Id go on Peters time. Kevin will advise in due course if an overall adjustment can be made.|
|Darragh Tierney||Jun 14, 11:37am||Hi Guys - my finish time is listed as 43:54 - but according to my watch I finished in 45:45ish. I started with the early group.|
|John J Barry||Jun 14, 12:07pm|
I also like to echo my thanks to everyone involved in the organization of last nights run. Rachel was giving epic vocal support at the final Stile.
Peter's suggested difference matches nine: His differences is 2' 37"
Mine is 55' 06" (watch) - 52' 29" (Official) = 2' 35" (Main Group Start)
|Robert Hickey||Jun 14, 12:15pm||My time is also off from my watch at the finish (early start)|
849 M 52:44 - watch time 54:35
|Jim Fitzharris||Jun 14, 12:47pm||Thanks to Bronagh and her crew for a great night out. Not an easy one to organise with the summit finish and the midge-fest in Crone!|
I self-timed (accurately) in the main group and also recorded a difference of 2:35 so I would say 2:30 would be a fair adjustment, especially since in other years we did not have to touch the cairn but just had to cross a strip of tape at the top!
The "descent" on the rocks from the cairn was the trickiest bit of the race!
|Alan Ayling||Jun 14, 1:20pm||Cairn?!|
|Bronagh Cheetham||Jun 14, 4:45pm||Cairn/summit - I hope the visability was not that bad not to see it!|
|Mike Jordan||Jun 14, 5:10pm||I think Alan is getting at the point that the finish was at the TRIG PILLAR on top of Djouce and not the CAIRN which is about 10 or 15metres from the summit :)|
Probably won't get an answer to this but does anyone know the origin of the name 'Djouce'? Its probably bastardized from some old Irish name but it always struck me as an odd sounding name compared to the rest of the Wicklow hills.
|Jim Fitzharris||Jun 14, 5:17pm||I realised later that it was the trig point that Alan was referring to.|
As a jovial man-about-the-mountain, I had not realised that there was a pedant lurking beneath Alan's genial demeanour.
Given that I usually wear the acccolade of Prince of Pedantry, I am now in something of a sulk given that my crown has been stolen .......
As to the name Djouce, apparently it comes from the Irish word, Dioghais, meaning ‘fortified height’ but I am open to correction on this.
|Paul O' Connor||Jun 14, 5:20pm||Mike,|
Djouce comes from the Irish name Dioghais meaning 'fortified height'. The summit sure felt pretty well fortified last night as I struggled to get to it!
|Paul Daly||Jun 14, 5:52pm||I didn't run last night due to an injury but I tagged along with a friend of mine at the last minute and took a few photos.|
They are not great photos due to been taken on a compact and due to constant attack from about a million midges!!
Here's a link to them on facebook: http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.3082971247812.105118.1669783945&type=1
Tag anyone you know if you like.
Is there a way for me to post the photos on the IMRA web site??
|John Condon||Jun 14, 9:39pm||Hi Paul, log into myIMRA and upload. Instructions are pretty clear.|
|Pat barry||Jun 15, 12:40pm||Those bloke in the early photos just look so fast!|
Really catches the sense of power/speed they have.
|Kieran Rocks||Jun 15, 4:48pm||More photos uploaded. Well done all!|
+ some placename info: http://www.logainm.ie/1167122.aspx
|Dictionary Corner||Jun 15, 5:01pm||If curiosity killed the cat, I like to think Piles killed Pedantic Pete..|
|Alan Ayling||Jun 15, 8:34pm||I can be pedantic enough when the mood takes me... Just thought it was a bit confusing all this talk of a cairn when there is a big rock slab, plus a trig pillar, but no cairn of any significance! |
As for the piles, I suffer terribly. A right pain in the arse, they are.
|Bronagh Cheetham||Jun 18, 1:22pm||Category Winners - apologies meant to put up this post after race. |
Those of you who didnt get your category prize last week, you can pick up from Rachel, RD at this weeks race in Sorrell Hill.
M40 - Ben Mooney
M50 - Francis Martin
M60 - Matthew Kavanagh (collected prize)
M70 - Seamus Kilcullen
F40 - Eva Fairmaner (Karen O'Hanlon already rec'd placing prize)
F50 - Mags Greenan (collected prize)
F60- Jean O'Neill (collected proze)
Junior - Cian Galligan (sorry Cian, did try to catch you after race but your Dad was driving too fast for me!)
Congrats to all...
|Rene Borg||Jun 29, 9:02am||Team results are up.|